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Sleeper pipes - the beginning by DVM
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What follows are posts made to the "old" Yamaha forum by DVM. It's a "how-to" on the first known Yamaha Enduro Sleeper Pipe that many of us bought from DVM and Meis when they were making them for others.
Many thanks to Don for his contribution of the below posts and photos!
CT3 Muffler
Update: Ok, I borrowed an air powered cutting wheel from my neighbor and “went to it” cutting the muffler.
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As you can see from the following photos I actually cut much more than I needed to. To access the baffle plates I really only needed to cut out a few inches from the rear. I thought that there was a baffle nearer the front of the muffler. Fortunately, I did not cut the perforated metal holding in the sound baffling material.
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Notice the baffle plates. Oh yea, there are ONLY two baffle plates in the muffler not three as I ASSUMED. On the CT muffler there are just two baffle plates in the rear of the muffler and as shown the baffles in my muffler were really disintegrating.
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So, using the idea that MotoVintage had mentioned in a previous post I fabricated a cone to fit in the area where the old baffle plates were located. Actually, the cone shown was a little larger than needed for a perfect fit but being the “old hack” that I am I forced it all together anyway.
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Since this is my first attempt at modifying the stock CT3 muffler I temporarily “patched” everything back together just to see how the modified muffler might work. Some high temperature duct tape and some bailing wire did the trick…..”temporarily”. Actually, it was my riding buddy Dave (forum member dtmeis) who suggested this idea.
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The preliminary results were OUTSTANDING!!! WOW WEE, my CT3 was performing almost as if I had put my Torque Engineering expansion chamber on the bike!!!! AND the muffler wasn’t that much louder than the stock muffler. So, I took everything apart and fabricated another cone a little smaller that fit into the muffler better.
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Using a MIG welder the cone was welded into the muffler.
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Then the muffler casing was welded back together.
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Next I put a coat of high temperature black paint to make the muffler look more “normal”.
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THE BOTTOM LINEI gained LOTS of low and midrange power WITHOUT sacrificing top end performance. Next we put the modified muffler on dtmeis’s CT2 which has been ported more for top end power to see what would happen. Again, lots more low and midrange torque without taking away from the top end power! To better illustrate the power attained from this modification our bikes are presently setup with 39/17 gearing (this is our “road” gear, stock is 45/16) and with this high gearing the front wheel lifts off the ground simply my seating back and rolling the throttle. This “cone” idea seems to be a WINNER!! THANKS TO MOTOVINTAGE FOR SUCH A GREAT IDEA!!!
I must say that I’m quite surprised at the improvement that this modification has provided. Also the muffler “looks” original and has the original exhaust silencer (spark arrester) with outlet pipe, so I “guess” that maybe I’m still legal when playing in the forest (the muffler has “US Forestry Approved” stamped on it).
INFORMATION UPDATE – CONE FABRICATION
Hmmm, did not get much response from this muffler upgrade even though I considered this to be a VERY big performance improvement while keeping the stock look of the enduro!?! Oh well, here is some important information regarding the fabrication of the cone for anyone considering performing this muffler upgrade. When fabricating the cone, you should use the thickest workable sheet metal as possible. The initial cones that I made were 0.023 inch. It was very easy to work metal this thin into a cone. Unfortunately, time has spoken!!! The thinner metal is prone to stress cracking from all the vibration and sonic shock waves.
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I am replacing one of the earlier thinner metal cones with one a cone made of 0.033 inch sheet metal. I used this thickness because it is what I immediately had available. Thicker metal is more difficult to work. Time will tell if this thickness will stand the test of time. I think the original muffler is made of about 0.40” (1 mm) thick metal. I would think sheet metal that is 0.040 to 0.050 inch thick would be ideal for this cone application. After the paint dried the muffler was put back on the bike and I went for a ride.
Many thanks to Don for his contribution of the below posts and photos!
CT3 Muffler
Update: Ok, I borrowed an air powered cutting wheel from my neighbor and “went to it” cutting the muffler.
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As you can see from the following photos I actually cut much more than I needed to. To access the baffle plates I really only needed to cut out a few inches from the rear. I thought that there was a baffle nearer the front of the muffler. Fortunately, I did not cut the perforated metal holding in the sound baffling material.
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Notice the baffle plates. Oh yea, there are ONLY two baffle plates in the muffler not three as I ASSUMED. On the CT muffler there are just two baffle plates in the rear of the muffler and as shown the baffles in my muffler were really disintegrating.
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So, using the idea that MotoVintage had mentioned in a previous post I fabricated a cone to fit in the area where the old baffle plates were located. Actually, the cone shown was a little larger than needed for a perfect fit but being the “old hack” that I am I forced it all together anyway.
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Since this is my first attempt at modifying the stock CT3 muffler I temporarily “patched” everything back together just to see how the modified muffler might work. Some high temperature duct tape and some bailing wire did the trick…..”temporarily”. Actually, it was my riding buddy Dave (forum member dtmeis) who suggested this idea.
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The preliminary results were OUTSTANDING!!! WOW WEE, my CT3 was performing almost as if I had put my Torque Engineering expansion chamber on the bike!!!! AND the muffler wasn’t that much louder than the stock muffler. So, I took everything apart and fabricated another cone a little smaller that fit into the muffler better.
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Using a MIG welder the cone was welded into the muffler.
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Then the muffler casing was welded back together.
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Next I put a coat of high temperature black paint to make the muffler look more “normal”.
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THE BOTTOM LINEI gained LOTS of low and midrange power WITHOUT sacrificing top end performance. Next we put the modified muffler on dtmeis’s CT2 which has been ported more for top end power to see what would happen. Again, lots more low and midrange torque without taking away from the top end power! To better illustrate the power attained from this modification our bikes are presently setup with 39/17 gearing (this is our “road” gear, stock is 45/16) and with this high gearing the front wheel lifts off the ground simply my seating back and rolling the throttle. This “cone” idea seems to be a WINNER!! THANKS TO MOTOVINTAGE FOR SUCH A GREAT IDEA!!!
I must say that I’m quite surprised at the improvement that this modification has provided. Also the muffler “looks” original and has the original exhaust silencer (spark arrester) with outlet pipe, so I “guess” that maybe I’m still legal when playing in the forest (the muffler has “US Forestry Approved” stamped on it).
INFORMATION UPDATE – CONE FABRICATION
Hmmm, did not get much response from this muffler upgrade even though I considered this to be a VERY big performance improvement while keeping the stock look of the enduro!?! Oh well, here is some important information regarding the fabrication of the cone for anyone considering performing this muffler upgrade. When fabricating the cone, you should use the thickest workable sheet metal as possible. The initial cones that I made were 0.023 inch. It was very easy to work metal this thin into a cone. Unfortunately, time has spoken!!! The thinner metal is prone to stress cracking from all the vibration and sonic shock waves.
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I am replacing one of the earlier thinner metal cones with one a cone made of 0.033 inch sheet metal. I used this thickness because it is what I immediately had available. Thicker metal is more difficult to work. Time will tell if this thickness will stand the test of time. I think the original muffler is made of about 0.40” (1 mm) thick metal. I would think sheet metal that is 0.040 to 0.050 inch thick would be ideal for this cone application. After the paint dried the muffler was put back on the bike and I went for a ride.
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Mark, your timing with this post couldn't have been better, I think my CT3 will be getting an upgrade once I get it running right.
Thanks DVM and Meis for the design and sharing.
Thanks DVM and Meis for the design and sharing.
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SP35 performing well on my 74DT250A
1974 DT250A
1974 DT250A
1977 IT175D "Alex"
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1972 DT2 "Adam"
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"And there ya have it"
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"And there ya have it"
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The cone shaped pressing at the end of the pipe, is very much like what Yamaha used in the TY Mono system.
Factory 240 Fantics, used a system which externally appeared to be an expansion chamber, but internally the front 3/4 of the system, was an absorption silencer, with packing around a perforated core.
The cone shaped outlet part at the rear, was the same as the one used in your modified Yamaha exhaust, essentially the back part of an expansion chamber.
Fantic went on to use the factory type exhaust on their next model production bike, and carried on using the same design exhausts till they folded in the early 90s.
I would think that mod would work very well on any system, which has those punched hole baffle plates, which do reduce noise, but dont do much to help with good running.
Factory 240 Fantics, used a system which externally appeared to be an expansion chamber, but internally the front 3/4 of the system, was an absorption silencer, with packing around a perforated core.
The cone shaped outlet part at the rear, was the same as the one used in your modified Yamaha exhaust, essentially the back part of an expansion chamber.
Fantic went on to use the factory type exhaust on their next model production bike, and carried on using the same design exhausts till they folded in the early 90s.
I would think that mod would work very well on any system, which has those punched hole baffle plates, which do reduce noise, but dont do much to help with good running.
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Finally going to be making a sleeper pipe for my CT1. Does anyone know specs on the actual cone used? Large diameter, small diameter, length? I was looking at designing a "full" expansion chamber to fit in the stock pipe but the dimensions are tricky to work with and I don't want to modify the sound and feel too much, this exit cone seems like just the trick.
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Hello AJACSTERN23,
If you send me your email or address on the forums message I will send to you a stencil pattern for the cone used in the CT1/2/3 mufflers. Also, on the first "sleeper pipe" the cut was excessive (much longer than needed) I can send you a photo of the opening we later made on these mufflers. The two baffle plates on my muffler were falling apart so they came out quite easy
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. Other baffle plates had to be worked on to remove them
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. If you need more information then let me know.
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If you send me your email or address on the forums message I will send to you a stencil pattern for the cone used in the CT1/2/3 mufflers. Also, on the first "sleeper pipe" the cut was excessive (much longer than needed) I can send you a photo of the opening we later made on these mufflers. The two baffle plates on my muffler were falling apart so they came out quite easy
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Hello to all forum members,
As I mentioned in the above post, I have the stencils for the CT enduros. I also have the stencils for the HT 2/3, AT's, DT's, RT's, and the earlier DT400's. If any member is interested, contact me on the forum message board. I recommend using sheet metal of 0.040 inch or 1mm thickness to make the cones.
Mark T, If you would like I can sent to you stencils that I have and you can post them on the forum for all to see.
Don
As I mentioned in the above post, I have the stencils for the CT enduros. I also have the stencils for the HT 2/3, AT's, DT's, RT's, and the earlier DT400's. If any member is interested, contact me on the forum message board. I recommend using sheet metal of 0.040 inch or 1mm thickness to make the cones.
Mark T, If you would like I can sent to you stencils that I have and you can post them on the forum for all to see.
Don
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Sure Don, that would be great!
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If anyone does the sleeper pipe on a DT400, 75 or 76, I (and I'm sure others), would greatly appreciate pictures documenting the process you did. Thank you!
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Don and Mark - I am sure I am not alone, but it would be amazing if this info was posted. Thanks Don for the great offer as I am sure a lot of time and effort went into getting the results. On a side note I have one of your pipes over here in Australia that was organized through Dave when you were in operation. Thanks Mark as you're always helping people and the community were you can. I have been out of the loop for a while due to other commitments but was lucky enough to check in when this post was in the loop.
Thanks again
Thanks again
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