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Vermont registration/title issue for 69 AT1

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I submitted a Vermont registration application for my untitled 69 AT1, however I received return correspondence that Requested paperwork for off-road conversion to street legal motorcycle (form VN-029) which would have to be performed by a Vermont inspector. I don’t live in Vermont, so I wouldn’t be able to have this performed. It’s my understanding that AT1s are street legal in their stock condition, correct? Has anybody run into this in the past?
26 Apr 2021 13:46 #1

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Maybe if you send them this article, a close-up picture of your bike including the starter/generator bulge by the shifter, and the VIN tables from the 125 section showing that your VIN was not an ATMX but a street legal AT1 you won't have to prove the conversion process that didn't happen.  

See my next post for the article from May 1969 Cycle magazine showing both the AT1 and ATMX.
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Hopefully here is the magazine article.

 

 

 

 

 
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Replied by HouseofEnduro on topic Vermont registration/title issue for 69 AT1

I would agree that either your VIN shows as that of an MX model, or they are mistaking your bike for one somehow. In the past few months I have submitted a '69 DT1, a '71 RT1, and a '73 RT3 to them and all came back within a few weeks with plate and registration, no questions asked at all. A written explanation to them, along with a photo of your street-equipped bike, might easily solve your problem. Good luck.
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Replied by whs386 on topic Vermont registration/title issue for 69 AT1

thanks guys, my Vin number is AT1103417, Which does show a regular 69 non-MX model according to the Vin number library. I’m guessing it’s just an error on their part. Thanks for your advice; I’ll send a photograph as well as a short explanation with this Vin number showing a regular Enduro bike. Hopefully that’ll fix the problem.
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Replied by tennbamaman on topic Vermont registration/title issue for 69 AT1

Reminds me of my first three trips to my Alabama court house.  Before i invested a lot of time, work, and possible money i wanted to make sure it was legally in my name.  No title required in Bama for any vehichle 35+ years.  I thought i am good to go with a bill of sale.  First trip lady told me she could not fine my VIN but was proceeding and then asked to see proof of insurance.  As the bike was not even close to running i did not have any.  I decided to go on and get it in my name and went ahead and got insurance.  2nd trip was not successful as they stated they could not verify the VIN and they had to be positive it was street legal.  I tried to explain it was an ENDURO dual purpose to about 3 folks.  Long story short, they said they had to physically inspect it.  i showed pictures on my phone and explained it had blinkers, lights, etc, etc.  Finally mt AT1C has a licence plate.  The last trip i had called and and talked to the right person and explained the situation.  She required pictures of 
VIN numbers on bike along with pictures of the bike itself.  I have a registration and a tag.  No title but they do not title antiques here.
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Other things that can trigger the inspection is declaring a low purchase price or condition less than "good". 

You probably got someone who was looking for a 17 digit VIN (which didn't become law until 1980/81).  I've had a DMV VIN inspection clerk in Nevada do the same thing...  he insisted it was a "dirt bike" that I put lights on because it didn't have a 17 digit VIN.  The manager took one look, shook his head in disbelief at the clerk insisting it was not street legal, and came back a few minutes later with the paperwork completed.
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Replied by whs386 on topic Vermont registration/title issue for 69 AT1

Yes I bet that’s what happened to me!  Low purchase price, “Fair” condition on the NADA value.   Should I just send it in with a “good” condition value for tax purposes?  Only mildly more money.

I sent in a message to them explaining that it is a dual sport/enduro through the Vermont DMV website, who knows how long that will take to come back.  I will try to call them (again who knows how long it will take).  Otherwise, I will send it in again with a good photo and some information on the AT1 as a street legal bike.  I’m sure it’ll be a few times back and forth before they budge.
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I've always had good luck calling them.  If you triggered an inspection with "condition", you might not get them to budge.  There was a warning against doing that in the original post as poor or fair condition implies there might be safety issues that would make the vehicle less than roadworthy. 

In the research I did years ago, I found that others were able to submit a safety inspection from their state and with an explanation the bike is not in Vermont.  Hopefully, it's not that and they just didn't find your VIN or something.  I would call.
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Replied by mdscott on topic Vermont registration/title issue for 69 AT1

Not sure it’s been mentioned, a guy in my Honda CT90 group is having a similar problem. On the form he listed the CT90 as a “trail bike”, so in someone’s mind that’s a off road dirt bike I also heard Vermont DMV is getting more strict. 
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